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Ashley and Carlie Terradez share about the importance of having a Godly mentor in your life in Living a Legacy Part 2!

Explore Titus 2:3 and 1 Corinthians 4:14-16 with Ashley and Carlie Terradez. The Bible gives us a definition for mentors and explains why these relationships are so important. With good mentors, you will be empowered to go further and make a greater impact than you ever could on your own.

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Carlie: We’re in the middle of our series called Living a Legacy. Today we’re going to be talking about the importance of having a Godly mentor in your life and what Godly mentorship really looks like, so stay tuned and find out how.

Announcer: Why live a normal life when you could be living the abundant life. Welcome to the Abundant Life program with Ashley and Carlie Terradez.

Ashley: Hello and welcome to Abundant Life. So glad you’ve joined us today, here in the lounge. We’re talking about Living a Legacy today. That’s right, living a legacy. It doesn’t matter how old you are, how young you are. It doesn’t matter if you’re nine or 90. You should be living a legacy, praise God. It’s God’s plan for you. It’s God’s plan for you to live a legacy, praise God, so that he can get his love spread around the world. Amen.

Carlie: Amen.

Ashley: In fact, it was the way that Jesus did it.

Carlie: It was Jesus’ idea.

Ashley: It was Jesus’ idea, praise God, when God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten son. And what happened was is Jesus spent most of his time or the majority of his time with 12 disciples. And those 12, or 11 we should say, one of them didn’t quite make it. But those 11 disciples went out, praise God and actually changed the world. They actually reproduce themselves. They actually kept the legacy going.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: So living a legacy isn’t about when we go to be in heaven and what happens afterwards. It’s some of that, but really it’s about how we’re living now. We’re living intentionally now. Are we living the goodness of God? Are we really helping other people to see how good God is-

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: … and showing other people the love of God?

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: And as we received from others, I believe we’re able to pour in to others. The most common example of this is Timothy and Paul. Paul poured into Timothy. Paul really did mentor Timothy and by doing that, Paul was living a life of legacy. And what happened was, is Timothy got a hold of that and then Timothy lived a life of legacy. In fact, Paul says this in his letter to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2. And this is one of our anchor scriptures, if you like, for this series. 2 Timothy 2:2 says, “And the things that you heard from me…” So Paul was saying to Timothy, “The things that I taught you, okay, among many witnesses, you commit these things, or teach these things, to faithful men who will then be able to teach others also.” Do you see how it’s the legacy series?

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: It goes on and on. Paul teaches Timothy and Paul’s saying to Timothy, “Now you teach others and don’t just stop there. The people that you teach, make sure they teach others.”

Carlie: And actually, we’re talking here about mentorship, but this is a picture of discipleship that we can find from Genesis all the way through to Revelation.

Ashley: Yeah.

Carlie: This didn’t just start with Jesus. He’s the most excellent mentor, right?

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: He sets us an excellent leadership example here, but God hasn’t changed his mind. It wasn’t a New Testament phenomenon.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: Mentorship, leadership, the passing on of legacy and instructing children, and them growing and instructing other people, it was started there in Genesis. And this is actually how the scriptures, how the instruction and the lessons from the scriptures was passed down from generation to generation.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: And I think today, there are aspects that are missing in our culture because of this lack of mentorship.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: There is this void in society where parents have stopped passing on information to their children. And that’s what we have. We have a lot of fatherless. We have whole generations of fatherless kids growing up, for different circumstances where that family unit, that passing down of legacy, has broken down.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: And the further you get with that void of mentorship, that void of legacy has occurred, the more dysfunction you see in the family unit. The more dysfunction you see in sections of society.

Ashley: Yeah.

Carlie: So what we’re talking about today is something that’s so important that we don’t want to miss this. There is such a blessing. There is such an impartation that God has deposited inside of us to pass on to others, but also for us to receive from others, in order that we might reach our full potential in Christ.

Ashley: Amen. It really is. And I remember growing up, I had a mentor. And I had several mentors in my life. In fact, we talked about this last time. We currently have mentors in our life. We have people in our life that we receive from-

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: … and then we also have people in our life that are receiving from us, that we’re pouring in to.

Carlie: Yeah. And those aren’t always family members, right?

Ashley: No. No. We’re talking beyond family.

Carlie: Beyond that.

Ashley: Yeah. I mean, obviously there’s natural fathers, natural parents and natural children. We’re talking more spiritually speaking and that can be your natural parents. It can also be the ones who impart into you spiritually. But a lot of the time you’ll find that God puts other people in your life-

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: … to pour in to you spiritually and then you end up pouring in to other people. Praise God. So, I remember one guy who was the best man at my wedding, and so if you’re watching, “I love you.” He’ll know who he is, praise God. But he really took me under his wing and mentored me. And it was amazing. Paul says this in… I believe it’s 1 Corinthians 11:1. Paul says, “Imitate me as I follow Christ.” And one translation says, “Follow me as I follow Christ.” And he really taught me through example and I remember lots of times, he teaching me. And sometimes it was tough to take that instruction-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … because I thought… I was 17 years old. I thought I knew it all. I thought I knew best. And he took me from about 17 years old to about 21, 22. And he really showed me some of these things we’re teaching today. He really showed me how to follow Christ and how to be a good, Godly man.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: And it was powerful to receive that. Looking back, I’m so grateful for him being in my life and showing me those things, because I was missing that. I didn’t have any other spiritual example at that stage.

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: And you know, me and Kylie both got born again in our teenage years. We were around 16 years old-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … when we got born again and so we didn’t grow up in Christian families. We didn’t grow up with these things on a daily basis. So God put Peter in our lives, to mentor us.

Carlie: Yeah. That spiritual mentoring came from outside the family union.

Ashley: Yeah. It really did and so today, what I want to look at is, “What does a good mentor look like?” Because here’s what we don’t want to do. We don’t want people just to run around and start submitting to people or start to-

Carlie: Attaching themselves to people.

Ashley: … attaching to people. That’s right.

Carlie: That’s not healthy.

Ashley: Amen. So I believe God’s going to bring people in your life that you can learn from and that ultimately, we learn everything from the word of God. We learn from the Holy Spirit. God’s going to teach us directly.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: So it’s not like we have to have someone to mediate between us and God. I want to make sure that people… This program goes out literally around the world, praise God, to millions of households, so I want to make sure I’m very clear here. I’m not talking about someone being a mediator between you and God.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: You have Jesus. You can speak directly to Jesus. You’re in the presence of God. You have the Holy Spirit indwelling you. If you’re born again today, you have the Holy spirit indwelling you. You have the Word of God. We’re talking about God basically using people to draw out the best in you.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: And that’s what God does. Everything God does is through relationships. He uses relationships. He uses people to draw good things out of us. He loves to indwell people. He’s a God of family. He’s a God of legacy and He loves to use people. So we’re going to look at some characteristics of what does a good mentor look like. Now, I’m not suggesting you go and interview for men [crosstalk].

Carlie: You know there are also resumes?

Ashley: No. But as God puts people in your life that are further up the road than you, that have got experience, that maybe you can learn from, He needs to see. Do they offer some of these qualities? Are these the type of people I want to learn from.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: So good qualities of a mentor. And then we’re also going to look at, maybe next time… We’re going to look at what’s the good qualities of a mentee.

Carlie: Yeah. Because it’s both ways. It’s a relationship.

Ashley: It’s a real word. Mentee. It means someone who’s being mentored. The mentee. You thought it was a fish, right? [crosstalk].

Carlie: No. I was joking.

Ashley: Okay.

Carlie: It was a manatee.

Ashley: A manatee? Is that a sea-

Carlie: Yeah. It’s a sea creature.

Ashley: Oh, manatee. Okay. Isn’t that like the…? That’s a [meglaphone], isn’t it? What’s the Jurassic outfit, like the dinosaur?

Carlie: Like a [liviaphone] –

Ashley: [Liviaphone].

Carlie: Anyway…

Ashley: It was a [meglaphone]. Didn’t they make a movie about it? Anyway…

Carlie: We haven’t even been to it in the areas of sea creatures.

Ashley: No. So anyway, this is the mentee. We’re going to look at the mentor first. The characters of a mentor. So the first thing I’ve got here, the characters who a mentor is, they’re selfless.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: They don’t make it all about them.

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: And I think that’s very important. Sometimes you have mentors and they’re more concerned about them and them looking good, about, “Look at all these people, spiritual children, I’ve got and look how…” And they make it about them.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: And the natural version is like, when you’re parenting, the difference between when you discipline your kids or whatever and it’s about you rather than about your child. So I’m thinking, we have three children. And when they were very little, I remember being in a store once and one of them wanted something. It was probably candy or something…

Carlie: That’s like daily.

Ashley: Daily, but back in the day. Now they’re teenagers, but back in the day [crosstalk].

Carlie: They go to the store themselves.

Ashley: Yeah. They drive themselves to the store now and then still use our money, but anyway… So I remember being in the store and wanting something and basically having a tantrum. And just having one of those toddler tantrums like, “I want it.” And screaming and kicking. Now for me at the time, I was more worried about what the people, the crowd that there was watching. [crosstalk] So then the parenting became about, “Let’s get this situation resolved. Let’s get this child out this store. Let’s stop all these people looking and judging me.” That’s what I thought was happening.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: If you’re a parent out there, I’m sure you’ve been there. In fact I was at a restaurant the other day and there was a child and they said, “I want this. I want this.” And the mother kept saying, “No.” And he asked again, and she said, “No.” And he asked again and she said, “No.” And then she looked around. She could see people looking at her. And I was so close to going up to her and saying, “Stick with it-

Carlie: Hold your ground.

Ashley: … hold your ground. Don’t give up. Stick with it.”

Carlie: You’re doing a good job.

Ashley: But in the end, there was so many people looking at her, she went, “Oh, go on then.” And she gave it to him. And I was like, “Oh no. She’s just lost a lot of ground there.” But at that point I made it more about me. I didn’t do it… I wasn’t doing it right.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: What I was thinking of is, “How can I make sure this isn’t too much of a scene? How can I make sure that people aren’t looking bad at me or looking bad at my child.” And really I wasn’t making it about them. If I made it about them, I would have done what my friend did. What he did when his toddler had a tantrum in the middle of a store, busy supermarket, people everywhere. His toddler got down and had a tantrum, his daughter and he got down on the floor next to her-

Carlie: Threw himself down on the floor.

Ashley: … literally, spread out, just like she spread herself out on the floor. I think she was like five or six.

Carlie: She’s pounding her fists on the pavement.

Ashley: She was like five or six. She was a little older. She was five or six. She was pounding her fists on the floor. He got right down on the middle of the floor right next to it and started pounding his fists and screaming. And he was a grown man-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … 35 years old, like this. She jumped up. She said, “Dad, get up. What are you doing?”

Carlie: You’re embarrassing me.

Ashley: “You’re embarrassing me.” He won that one. But he wasn’t worried about what people thought of him. He was worried about his relationship. He was more concerned about the person he was mentoring. Right?

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: At this point, it was parent child, but the person’s mentoring. So a good mentor isn’t going to make it about them. They’re not going to make it all about them and about how great they are. They’re going to make it about the person they’re pouring in to. And they’re going to do that in a number of ways.

Carlie: You know, I would always be concerned if somebody comes to you and tries to insert themselves or self-appoint themselves as a spiritual father-

Ashley: Okay.

Carlie: … or spiritual mother. I think that’s a little out of order.

Ashley: I think it is. Most of the time. I really do and I don’t want to put a hard and fast rule down and say if someone comes to you and says, “I’m your spiritual father. I want to be your spiritual mentor.” I’m not saying it’s a red flag and that’s it. But I’m just saying in our lives, I’m counting up probably about six key people in my life, maybe seven, who have been really influential, that have mentored me and have been-

Carlie: But you would probably described them in that way.

Ashley: … fatherly to me. I’ve described them that way. Not one of them came to me and said, “I’m your spiritual father. I’m your spiritual mentor. I’m going to be your coach or your mentor.” Not one of them did that. It was a natural thing that progressed. And what happened was, is I started serving them. We’re going to look into some of these. I started serving them and being around them and they started pouring in to me. And there wasn’t this like, “You’re my spiritual father. You’re my spiritual son.”

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: Sometimes, if people come and say that, it can be a red flag, because that means it’s more about them. They want a spiritual son-

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: … more than they want to be a spiritual father. I’m getting ahead of myself in what I’ve got written down but with Elisha and Elijah, God told Elijah, “Go and anoint Elisha. He’s going to be your predecessor. He’s going to be the person who’s going to carry on your ministry.”

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: So Elijah was Elisha’s spiritual mentor. And Elijah went up to Elisha, threw his mantle on him and carried on walking. I mean, he was pretty nonchalant. He was like [crosstalk]

Carlie: He was just walking down the street and a coat just hits him in the side of the head.

Ashley: His cape just hit him. He’s like “What’s going on here?” We don’t know if Elisha and Elijah had a relationship before. The Scripture doesn’t tell us that. Some people believe they did, some people believe they didn’t. But basically Elijah just walked up to Elisha, threw his mantle at him and just kept on walking. And Elisha had to run after him and said, “Sir, Sir.” Basically, he wanted to[crosstalk 00:12:20]

Carlie: It was a pursuit there.

Ashley: There was a pursuit. Elisha pursued Elijah-

Carlie: It’s powerful.

Ashley: And he said, “Let me go back and kiss my parents goodbye.” And Elijah basically said, “You do what you want. Whatever.” And we know in today’s language… We’ll read this scripture later maybe, but in today’s language, “Whatever.” And just kept on walking. Elijah was not pressuring Elisha, to be his spiritual father.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: He was not. And for Elisha to be his spiritual son and for him to be his spiritual father. Even though God had told him. God clearly told, instructed Elijah, “Elisha is going to be the person you need to pour in to. You’re going to be his mentor.” If you like. Elijah was pretty… He wanted Elisha to pursue him [crosstalk] which was a good way of getting to him.

Carlie: So, there was a commitment then on both sides-

Ashley: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carlie: … because Elijah had to recognize that Elisha was his assignment.

Ashley: Yeah.

Carlie: But Elijah had to recognize it too. Otherwise that exchange wouldn’t have worked.

Ashley: That’s right. That’s good.

Carlie: And he had to pursue the things and place a reverence on those things-

Ashley: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carlie: … and recognize and submit himself to Elijah’s authority in that moment.

Ashley: Amen. It’s really good. So the first characteristic I’ve got here is being selfish. You go to Philippians 2. Paul really describes this really well in Philippians 2:1-4.

Carlie: Yeah. It says, “If there’s any encouragement in Christ, if there’s any comfort of love, any fellowship of the spirit, if any compassion and mercy, then fulfill my joy and be like-minded having the same love being in unity with one mind. Let nothing be done out of strife or conceit, but in humility esteem the other better than himself. And let each of you look not onto your own interests, but also to the interest of others.” There’s a lot in there.

Ashley: Amen. It’s really powerful. A lot of Paul’s letters, if you read the epistles, he’s really fatherly. He’s talking to his churches, he’s talking to the leaders of his churches and he’s talking to them in a way that’s really this mentor attitude. You know, Paul was definitely mentoring these people. He definitely mentioned these churches and pouring in to these churches. And what he’s saying is… He’s saying, in verse four, “Let each of you look not only for your own interests, but also the interests of others.” He’s saying, “Let this mind be in you. Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but lowliness of mind. Let each esteem others better than yourself.” Now this goes with both sides of things.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: I was thinking about this. If you’re a mentee, if you’re the person who’s receiving, okay? Really, you need to have this lowliness of mind because what you’re saying is if you go to someone and ask for advice, or if you go to someone and ask for some input, what you’re saying is, “I don’t know it all.”

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: You’re humbling yourself. You’re saying, “I don’t know it all-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … I need your help. I need your input. I would like your advice.”

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: It’s very important to have that attitude. And then also, as the mentor [crosstalk] The mentor is actually putting the mentee ahead of themselves, in terms of to serve them and to honor them. You know, Jesus mentored his disciples.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: He mentored them. He spent time with them. He was very intentional about mentoring them. It was a bit of show and tell. He did it and then he said to the disciples, “Watch me do it and then you go and do it. And I’ll watch you do it. And then you should be able to do it without me.”

Carlie: He was training.

Ashley: That’s a very common way of training people. Even if it wasn’t a trade or profession, right? It’s like, “Watch me do it. I’ll show you how we do it. Then let’s do it together and then you go and do it on your own and I’ll watch you.” And that’s how Jesus taught his disciples. He gave them on the job training, as they were going around healing people and casting out demons and calming storms and feeding the 5000 and things like that. Jesus wanted them to do it.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: He wanted to train them [crosstalk].

Carlie: Use what was in their hands.

Ashley: He wanted them to use what’s in their hamds. He wanted to train them how to do it. He wanted them to do it. And this was Jesus’ attitude. And I think if a good mentor is going to have the attitude of, it’s not about them. It’s about esteeming the other person ahead of them. And Jesus even served. He served his disciples.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: He washed their feet.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: He humbled himself and washed their feet. And really the greatest leader is the greatest servant. So a mentor should be selfish. They should actually be serving the mentee. They should be serving them, even though they’re above them in terms of authority, maybe. Even above them in experience, in spiritual maturity and all these things. Really the mentor’s attitude… If you’re mentoring someone, your attitude should be, “I’m here to serve them.”

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: Even the five-fold ministry offices. The five-fold ministry offices, Jesus said he gave some… Or Paul said in the book of Ephesians, He gave some to be prophets, some to be apostles, pastors, teachers, and evangelists.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: I’ve got them in the wrong order, but it doesn’t matter. So those are really are the greatest servants in the body of Christ. They’re serve in the body of Christ to actually do the work of the ministry. So if you’re a mentor, you should be serving the person you’re mentoring. That should be your goal, to serve them. Praise God.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: So, we’re looking at characteristics of being a good mentor. We’ve got some more to go over that’s really going to bless you. We want to share some things with you today, before we carry on with these points. I want you to look at these announcements, praise God. These are going to empower you in the promises of God.

Carlie: God has chosen you and the word says he’s ordained you. He set you apart that you might bear fruit and that your fruit might remain. You know, he wants you to make a lasting impact in this world. He wants you to live legendary.

Ashley: Amen. So go to the website, and check out this month’ Growth Track. It’s going to really help you, praise God.

Carlie: In these short television programs, we really don’t have enough time to be able to go into depth on everything that God has for you on the subject of living legendary. So we have more information, more teaching resources available to you on our website via these Growth Tracks.

Ashley: Amen. We’ve got lots of free teachings. You can get product coupons. You can sign up and get devotionals on this subject. So go to our website I’m telling you, you want to be a part of this. It’s awesome.

Hi. We’re looking at what it means to live a life of legacy, praise God. And we’re looking at what it means to be a good mentor.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: Before then, we’ve had someone write in, praise God. We encourage people. Write in to our ministry. It’s Let us know how this ministry has blessed you. Let us know how the Lord has blessed you through this ministry. And we’ve got a testimony here-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … so go ahead, Carlie.

Carlie: This is great. This is from HJ in Namibia. We’ve quite an international audience, actually. Don’t we? [crosstalk] People are watching from all over.

Ashley: We do. Literally from around the world.

Carlie: Yeah. So this is HJ in Namibia. And she said, “I started watching your program online near the end of March. My business has been dry since the beginning of the year and I was worried about the future.” You know, this is important because we’re talking to you about legacy, okay? “I could not pay school fees for my daughter or the monthly bill for my car. However, after the second week of watching your program, I understood that I must live by faith and trust God. He can be trusted. He’s faithful. God started opening doors for my business. I got a big project that would take five days to complete for the value of around $20,000. I’m so happy now that I have four projects to work on in a home, in a month.”

Ashley: Awesome.

Carlie: So she’s got lots of work, been able to pay all of her bills and it really came from the point that she learned how to trust God.

Ashley: Amen. That’s so important. You know, you can trust God with every area of your life. He only has good for you. God is a good God-

Carlie: He’s good. He’s faithful.

Ashley: … He’s love and he’s faithful. And He has good things for you. Praise God. So whatever your situation is, you can trust God. Praise God, he’ll see you through. Great testimony.

We’re looking at living a life of legacy today, and we’re looking at what makes a good mentor. What are the characteristics of a good mentor, whether you’re mentoring or whether you’re receiving from a mentor. We’re looking at these things today. The first one we looked at was they’re selfless. A good mentor doesn’t make it all about them. Doesn’t make it about all about them. They’re selfless. And then actually esteeming others. They’re actually serving their mentee.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: They’re serving the person they’re pouring in to, just like Jesus washed the disciples’ feet. The next one I’ve got here is that they’re legacy focused. They’re actually focused on the future. They’re focused on legacy. They’re focused on the bigger picture. And they love it when people around them, their mentees, if you like, succeed them-

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: … when they actually go beyond them. In fact, every good teachers… You want the students to go beyond them.

Carlie: That’s one of the reasons why I really appreciate HJ’s testimony just then.

Ashley: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carlie: You know, she was struggling to pay her daughter’s school fees, but the lesson that she learned in trusting God and speaking those things out, her daughter’s been watching this.

Ashley: Amen.

Carlie: She’s been watching these struggles. She’s been watching these financial issues, the worry, the anxiety, and then this switch, “Hang on a minute. I’ve learnt something from the Lord and I’m going to start applying it.” Now that wasn’t just a lesson for HJ.

Ashley: Right?

Carlie: That’s the lesson for her daughter also.

Ashley: Amen. Really it’s a generational-

Carlie: Yeah. That’s legacy.

Ashley: Amen. It really is. So the best mentors in my life have been people that have celebrated my wins. If you’ve got people that are receiving from you, if you’re pouring in to people, but you’re worried about them be more successful than you, then you’re not a good mentor. I’m sorry. The best mentors want their students to outdo them, go beyond them.

Carlie: Yeah. You can’t have an insecure mentor and be effective.

Ashley: No, you really can’t, because what’s going to happen is your students or the people around you that you’re pouring in to are going to go further, do more. And then if you’re insecure, or if you get jealous, it’s not going to work. And I’m telling you, the best mentors in my life have been the ones that have really celebrated my wins and being excited about me going even further than they have.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: I heard it put this way. In Mark 4, the power with the sower, I believe it’s verse 20, it talks about some thirty-fold, some sixty-fold and some, a hundred-fold. I’ve heard it put this way that really our hundred-fold, the mentor’s hundred-fold should be the mentees thirty-fold.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: So where the mentor leaves off, where the mentor goes to his maximum, if you like, or has his [crosstalk]

Carlie: That’s the starting point for the mentee.

Ashley: That should be the starting point for their student-

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: … and that should be the starting point for the next person. So it’s legacy focused. It’s driven to success. It’s kingdom minded.

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: It’s abundance minded. If we’re abundance minded, then we want people around us to do more than us and be even more successful because we’re on the same team. We’ve got the same focus. We’re legacy focused. We’re trying to get the goodness of God out there.

Carlie: That’s a great point. If somebody is… You feel like you’re missing a mentor in your life, then you’re going to need to search somebody out or let God bring somebody in relationship to you that meets this characteristic-

Ashley: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah.

Carlie: … that isn’t insecure. That celebrates you, that what that isn’t concerned about you outgrowing them.

Ashley: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carlie: You don’t want to submit yourself to somebody that’s insecure. It’s going to cause problems. And likewise, if you feel like God is leading you to be a mentor in somebody’s life, but you know you’ve got some insecurities, you’re going to want to let the Lord work on your heart in those areas, in order for you to truly be effective and help people.

Ashley: Yeah. Celebrate them. Let them … You should want them to win.

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: In fact, one of our greatest mentors is Andrew Womack. And Andrew gets more excited when he sees other people praying and seeing results. In fact, he has prayer training, right? Where you train prayer ministers-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … to pray for people and I know you feel like this as well.

Carlie: Absolutely.

Ashley: You get more excited about seeing other people pray for each other. The differences is the old saying, you can give someone a fish or you can teach them how to fish. And what we love to do is empower believers in the promises of God. So this isn’t about us meeting your needs. It’s about you getting the Word of God in you to the point where you’re empowered to do it yourself.

Carlie: Absolutely. Yes. What our ministry is really built upon… You know, if ever you’ve attended one of our live events, at the end, you’ll notice that we pray probably a little bit differently from some other ministries, some other ways of doing it.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: And it’s not the only way to pray for people, but it’s what God’s put in our heart, because mentoring is a real big focus of what we feel that God’s called us to do. So rather than have a prayer line where I’m going to lay hands on every single person… You can’t do that if you’ve got thousands of people. It would take forever. But through the teaching, you preach the Word of God. You train people up. You impart something to them from a mentee standpoint to a mentee standpoint-

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: … and so they’ve learned. Their faith has become built up and being encouraged. Then at the end, we actually have them stand up and lay hands on the people next to them. And we pray and we lead the prayer as an example from the front.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: But the miracles happen through the hands of the people in the audience-

Ashley: Amen.

Carlie: … without us even touching, without even touching somebody.

Ashley: Right.

Carlie: And that accomplishes a couple of things. Not only is it a really efficient way to pray for thousands of people in one go, but something happens on the inside of a person when they lay hands on somebody and they see the power of God operating through them, where they take their hands off and they see the person’s blind eyes open.

Ashley: Yeah.

Carlie: There’s faith. There’s encouragement. There’s confidence. There’s like, “Wow, the power of God, is real and he can use me.”

Ashley: Amen.

Carlie: And that really is a demonstration of what we’re teaching here about mentoring.

Ashley: It really is. It’s beyond you. It should be something that you want. You want the people around you to go well beyond what you’ve done. In fact, Jesus did that. He wanted that himself. He said the works that I’ve done, you can do and even greater works than these. Jesus told his disciples… And you’re watching now. If you’re born again, if you’re a believer in Jesus, Jesus wants you to even do greater works than he did.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: Praise God. So that was his attitude. So we’re looking at, they’re selfless, they’re legacy focused. The third one I’ve got here is, they’re successful. They have fruit. Jesus said by their fruit, you shall know them. They should have some success.

Carlie: Right.

Ashley: It’s amazing how many people want to give us advice on things but they’ve never done anything.

Carlie: So people that don’t have children, sometimes it’s interesting how they have preconceived ideas about how people should parent their children.

Ashley: What I’ve noticed is, if you’re a parent here, you [layman]me. If you’re not a parent, you probably think I’m teaching heresy. So that’ll just show you. But a person who’s not a parent, will always has the best ideas about parenting kids. And they’ll give out advice. This is what you should do. This is what you should do. When you have children, you stop giving out advice freely-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … unless someone asks you because you’re like, “You know what? This thing is so crazy.”

Carlie: It’s true. We’re just trying to survive here.

Ashley: We’re just trying to survive. We’re just trying to get a good night’s sleep. So it’s amazing how people… And that’s just a silly example about parents giving advice to other parents. But really, or people who aren’t parents giving advice to parents. But really it’s true. I had a friend come to me the other day and they had a large inheritance and they said to me, “What should I do with this large amount of money?” And I said, “Well, I’m not the person to ask because I’ve never invested that large amount of money before.”

Carlie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ashley: And they said, “Well, I’ve had advice from these people.” And I said, “Go back and ask them, have they invested that amount of money before?” And none of them had. In fact, two of them had never invested any money. Zero. And they were there giving advice [crosstalk]

Carlie: Well, what they had was theory.

Ashley: They had theory, not experience. So you want a mentor that’s got experience. And again, we’re not talking about people that are perfect. We’re not talking about people that have got experience in every area, but if someone’s got life experience in it and especially experience in the area that you’re looking to receive from-

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: … so you might be looking to receive in a certain area and they’ve got experience in that area. They do want to see you. They haven’t got experience, haven’t got success. And again, they’re not going to have success. It’s good sometimes to see that they’re failed as well, and then got back up again and done it again-

Carlie: Exactly.

Ashley: …but they need to have some experience. There needs to be some success, some fruit there.

Carlie: Someone who’s a little further down the road than you are, so they can say, “Hey, go a different way. There’s a traffic jam ahead.”

Ashley: Yeah. They’ve been up the road. They’ve been at the road already. They’re a little bit further and they can give you advice and tell you. So yeah, there’s some other characteristics here I want to share with you about a good mentor. And in the next program, I’m going to be able to share those with you and we’re going to be able to go over all the different characteristics. There’s a few more to cover.

Carlie: Yeah.

Ashley: Praise God, but I don’t want to let the people go without praying for them. And I know that there’s people that are watching and listening that need their needs met, so let’s pray for the people right now, Carlie.

Carlie: Actually, I really feel like there are people watching this, that have some physical needs.

Ashley: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carlie: So right now I just release the power of God to flow through from the top of your head to the sole of your feet.

Ashley: Amen.

Carlie: Right now, we just release the healing power of God to flow through your body. And we take authority over all sickness and all disease, in Jesus’ name. We break the power of hereditary conditions right now. We declare legacy, healing legacy, divine health over your body from here on out. We declare that your children are blessed, your children’s children are blessed and no sickness and no disease can come near their body and live in the name of Jesus. Amen.

Ashley: Amen. Praise God. Well, thanks for joining us today. And remember until next time, don’t just settle for living a normal life, when Jesus paid for you to live the abundant life. We’ll see you soon.

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